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Eliza and Militia - SnakeSpawn - 11-03-2012 04:16 PM
Eliza, the Witch Hunter, has a Zealot ability that allows her to take a wound to gain +2 in a skill check. Our gameplay issue was brought about by the fact that she can assign the wound to a Militia. Can Eliza assign the wound to a Militia that’s not on the same space as her?
The rules say “Militia markers give any Hero in the same space +1 Combat and can take one Wound for the Hero.” Grammatically, it kinda makes only the +1 Combat effect require being in the same space, although I don’t think that’s what was intended. Eliza’s ability, however, doesn’t mention that the Militia has to be in the same spot. Captain Hawkins has abilities that don’t require him to be in the same spot to use Militia.
Personally, think that she must be in the same spot as Militia, but I couldn’t get enough evidence to convince the others at the table. So, I throw the question to you, the AToE community.
RE: Eliza and Militia - MoonSylver - 11-03-2012 06:30 PM
Going strictly by the wording of the ability, it would SEEM she could assign them to any Militia. I would tend to agree though that it SEEMS that the INTENT is to have it in the same space, but as you say, Captain Hawkins has abilities that utilize Militia from a distance. Although since they come from the same set, it seems this would have been a curious oversight.
I think the clarification would lie in the Militia rules. Militia can take a Wound for a Hero in the same space. Eliza is essentially inflicting the wound on herself. The special ability seems to merely be clarifying that the wound can also be assigned to Militia. Militia have to be in the same space to take a wound for a Hero. See where I'm going?
One other key piece of evidence is that Hawkins ability SPECIFIES "Militia on any space on the board". So in this case, it's not just what Eliza's ability SAYS but also what it DOESN'T say. Since it doesn't specify that she CAN use it on any Militia on the board normal Militia rules would apply in that they would have to be in the same space. The ability is merely clarifying that even though she is giving the wound to herself, that she can also assign it to Militia (as per normal rules).
All just my opinion of course, but I've posted my line of reasoning on how I've arrived at it.
RE: Eliza and Militia - MoonSylver - 11-04-2012 04:10 AM
(11-03-2012 06:30 PM)MoonSylver Wrote: Going strictly by the wording of the ability, it would SEEM she could assign them to any Militia. I would tend to agree though that it SEEMS that the INTENT is to have it in the same space, but as you say, Captain Hawkins has abilities that utilize Militia from a distance. Although since they come from the same set, it seems this would have been a curious oversight.
I think the clarification would lie in the Militia rules. Militia can take a Wound for a Hero in the same space. Eliza is essentially inflicting the wound on herself. The special ability seems to merely be clarifying that the wound can also be assigned to Militia. Militia have to be in the same space to take a wound for a Hero. See where I'm going?
One other key piece of evidence is that Hawkins ability SPECIFIES "Militia on any space on the board". So in this case, it's not just what Eliza's ability SAYS but also what it DOESN'T say. Since it doesn't specify that she CAN use it on any Militia on the board normal Militia rules would apply in that they would have to be in the same space. The ability is merely clarifying that even though she is giving the wound to herself, that she can also assign it to Militia (as per normal rules).
All just my opinion of course, but I've posted my line of reasoning on how I've arrived at it.
W00T! Confirmed over at BBG by Jason (whew! I feel much better having it official!)
Quote:That is correct. The Militia must be in the same space as Eliza to assign the wound to them.
RE: Eliza and Militia - SnakeSpawn - 11-04-2012 05:10 PM
Thanks MoonSylver!